Friday, October 31, 2008

Taboo Subject - How I'm voting on the Issues

So there are several major issues up for vote in Ohio next week. I took the time to research them yesterday so that I’d know how to vote “intelligently”. I used the Enquirer’s review of the issues as my basis for information gathering. Here’s some general summary for my Ohio friends:

Issue 1: This issue extends the ballot deadline from 90 days to 125 days. The good news is that it seems this would make the process more streamlined to put new issues on the ballot – it also gives more time for proponents and opponents to collect petitions for their side. It has no formal opponents. The bad side is that if a law were passed in this time period (which would be longer) it’ll take until the next year to get taken out of law. I'm voting YES on this issue.

Issue 2: This is the Clean Ohio issue that was originally passed in 2000 and is up for renewal now. It does not raise taxes and is funded by state-issued bonds. It has successfully “helped to conserve 26,000 acres of natural areas and wildlife habitats, preserve 20,000 acres of Ohio farms and revitalize 173 abandoned, polluted former industrial sites”. It has no opponents and appears to have no downside. I'm voting YES on this issue.

Issue 3: The water rights issue, this simply puts into constitutional law a law that is already in existence and has been upheld by the Ohio Supreme Court several times. It says that water (lakes, streams, wells, etc.) on your land is yours and that while you can use the resource (for irrigation for example) you can not restrict it from others who have rights (ie you can’t build a dam and not allow people downstream not to use the resource too). Opponents only oppose it because it’s “redundant” not because they don’t like what it says. I say who cares if it’s a law it can go into the constitution to make it more firm. I'm voting YES on issue 3.

Issue 5: Payday advancement has gotten HUGE nationwide. Locally in Cincinnati Check-N-Go is a large company that employs 6000 people state-wide by providing cash advances to people who need them. What happens in general is that individuals post-date checks and are willing to pay a premium on the money they borrow. For example, they’ll write a $115 check to get $100 now and the CNG company will cash their check at the later date. Some times what happens is that you simply use your paycheck as collateral to pay back some of the money but it’s more like a traditional loan. It’s been shown that APRs can get up to 391% to people who don’t repay these loans on time and rack up fees on top of high interest rates. Opponents to this (the loan companies themselves mostly) claim that with lower and restricted rates (8%) they won’t have enough revenue to stay in business and 6000 people will lose their jobs. If this goes away banks will become the primary loan source with short-term (ie 3 month) loans as their primary replacement offering. Banks ARE restricted by law to mainain "reasonable (<10%) interest rates .

This is a little tougher. I'm traditionally FOR business as in my opinion businesses employ people who then have money to buy things (spur the economy) and pay taxes. Unemployed people with no money can do neither. As the “personal reference” for friends/family who have used these services (we get the calls of “have you seen so-and-so lately? Can you please tell him/her we’re looking for them?”) I know first hand the vicious cycle that owing money can get you into. Also, as you can imagine, these institutions really harm your credit which makes getting future loans difficult (one friend was paying ~20% interest on his truck loan!). Institutions like this enable people to make and continue to make harmful financial decisions. On the other hand, there are a lot of people in 1-2X binds that will responsibly use these services and it’s good they have the source to do it.

At the end of the day I'm voting NO to this issue so that these businesses can charge what they want and put the responsibility on the people for making their own decisions (they know the terms when they agree to the loan) and living with whatever consequences their decisions earn them.

Issue 6: Bringing casinos to Ohio. The premise that Ohio is losing out on taxes, revenue and the jobs potentially created by building a mega-casino in Wilmington, OH (about 45 minutes northeast of Cincinnati of I71). This company would become in the top 5 employers in the state and would open the doors to other casinos being added in other counties. The taxes paid by said casino would be split between all 88 counties in the state and it’s projected that it’ll draw as much as $850 million in revenue per year. As you can imagine, the Ohio Visitors and Convention Bureau is all for it as are the residents of Wilmington who fear major job loss with the departure of the DHL hub in the city.

Opponents worry about increased gambling addiction, traffic congestion (which will require additional highway/roadway spend to expand), the well-noted loopholes that state that the 30% tax rate the casino would currently spend has the right to change (reduce) to match whatever future casinos pay, and the lack of a gaming license fee.

Obviously the key here is if we allow this industry to start in Ohio what will the benefit be? The risk with taxes is IF an Indian casino would come they pay no taxes so this casino would match and there’d be no taxes. Experts say the likelihood that an Indian casino would come is slim and even if it did it would be years and years of processing to get it approved. The other downside is that they wouldn’t have that initial gaming license fee with is normally a hundreds of millions of dollars number. That’s a lot of money to miss out on.

I just don’t like the idea of people having another opportunity to waste their money. While this seems completely contradictory to how I'm voting on Issue 5, my first-hand experience with my mother and father in laws hobby (and their complete lack of a retirement savings at age 60) makes me resilient to letting others get in that boat (where my taxes then pay for their healthcare and living via Medicaid). I am therefore voting NO on Issue 6.

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

While everyone is entitled to their opinion, it is not very responsible to depend on the Cincinnati Enquirer for your information. It is a well-known fact that they are an extremely conservative-biased paper. Also, since you are a professor, I doubt you would accept work from a student who only quoted one source. Take the time to be an informed citizen and explore a variety of sources.

Karen said...

well stated!

I used the enquirer not to find recommendations on how to vote (i'm voting against what they "recommend" in one case), but for general information on what the issue even was about (esp. issues 1-3 as i hadn't heard boo about them).

Karen said...

(side note, i knew about 5 and 6 already - they're opponents and proponents litter the airwaves with their views and it's pretty hot conversation around the office.)

Finlands finest said...

I agree with you in general on all of them. Issue 5 is the only one I am going back and forth on.

Martha said...

I had to read through the legal jargon in the extra packets that came with the ballot to make my decisions. Fortunately in some which I couldn't figure some of the wording out (they can get very tricky where you can't always easily identify what a yes or no vote means) they tell you in the summary at the end). I typically look for the words "increase taxes" and related that to what the basic issue is about.

I am so done with this election. I mailed my ballot in on Tuesday and am sick of the TV ads and talk.

Viki said...

Just by reading your summaries, I think I'd disagree with you on Issue 5, unless there was something educational that was handed out with a payday loan at least the first time. I think there are too many people who get into debt because they're financially stupid and don't realize how bad things are until they're totally overwhelmed. Perhaps some education would prevent more people from being crushed debt.

Case in point - I was in a checkout line once and a little boy next to me seemed enthralled because I was paying with a credit card. He asked me if I actually had to pay for what I was buying - he thought I got it for free.

LisaMarie said...

I thought the same thing as Mr/Ms Anonymous when I first read your entry, but then realized, like you stated that you were just finding out what some of these issues even were. I too didn't know anything about 1-3. And suprisingly, AMAZINGLY, I'm voting the same way you are on every issue.

I struggled with Issue 5 myself, but you're right, it's their stupid idiot right to take out one of those loans.

And on Issue 6, I've been to Wilmington way too many times and know that it is a community that DOESN'T need easy access to a casino. There are way too many poor people there that don't need the temptation of a casino. Plus, I don't believe the money will go to schools. That's what they say about the state lotto system....I still haven't seen a penny of THAT money in the 8 years I've been teaching!

Anonymous said...

I agree with your thoughts on issue 5. Well said! Last time I checked this was a free country and we should all be able to make our own decisions. It is my choice on what financial institutions I use. I think there is a large majority of us sick and tired of the govt interference into our everyday lives!

Unknown said...

I disagree with the statement "it's their stupid idiot right to take out one of these loans." I think this ignores the basic premise of predatory payday lending: this product is DESIGNED to trap borrowers in debt. Payday lenders locate in areas where they are able to prey upon those who are desperate and where they might find individuals who will easily get trapped in debt for months on end. I'll be voting yes on issue 5 because I don't believe that 391% APR amounts to financial freedom - I believe it's legalized loan sharking! Vote yes on issue 5!

http://www.yesonissue5.com

Anonymous said...

"This feel-good activism can often have the stench of paternalism and a fundamental belief that working-class Americans are incapable of making their own financial decisions."
“If Wall Street is getting a "trillion-dollar payday loan," then "why can't a single mother have the ability to fix a flat tire or get some medicine for her child? Because Bill Faith wants to save her from herself? It's nonsense." - Niger Innis of the Congress of Racial Equality

Finlands finest said...

WOW!!! Lots of good opinions!

I was discussing issue 5 with a coworker, and they pointed out that the way it is written you have to be careful how you vote because if you are against it you vote yes, and a lot of people would vote no thinking they don't want it. I am sure most of your readers recognize this, but thought I would point it out.

Anonymous said...

Forget if you agree with pday loans or not- FOCUS on the fact that the Ohio General Assembly thinks they have the right to control what financial options and products are available to the citizens of Ohio. Big brother style.

Forget if you have used a PD loan or not-- FOCUS on the fact that other consenting adults do and are capable of making their own decisions, based on their individiual situations. Who are we to say no?

Forget everything else -- FOCUS on the fact that eliminating payday loans DOES NOT eliminate the need for short term financial options. I bet 99.9% of the OGA doesn't have to worry about the day to day necessities the rest of are dealing with. They have insurance, pensions, well paying jobs.

Forget about the Pday loan argument -- FOCUS on the controlling and spending of our household money by the state. Considering our current economic situation... I vote for less intrusion!! PLEASE let me manage my own darn $$ since the gov't has shown they are not responsible, accountable or budget conscious. Ohio>> 60M in debt!!

Forget about the Pday loan side-- FOCUS on what else the government is going to decide in the future (under the guise of "paternalism") that we aren't capable of handling as adults. Restricting how much can be spent on food? alcohol? cigarettes? housing? gambling? clothes?

FOCUS on the fact that the OGA is intruding on our personal financial decisions... where does it stop?? Why do they think they know better what will work for us than we do? We live it every day!!!

The Issue of 5 is waaaay bigger than PD Loans >> its about Financial Freedom of Choice, which I consider to be a BASIC FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT!

***NO on ISSUE 5!****

Anonymous said...

The only accurate way of calculating the interest rate on a payday loan is to say that it is 15%. When you pay back $115 to borrow $100 it does not add up to 391%. There is a subtle but important difference between a
“percentage rate” and an “annual percentage rate.” Reporters and advocates who ignore this difference are not doing their homework or are just being sloppy.
http://www.buckeyeinstitute.org/article/1238

Anonymous said...

Payday loans are an important and necessary product given that traditional financial institutions seem bent on maximizing profits at the expense of their customers. I've used payday loans in the past and may again in the future. My decision to do so is based on carefully weighing the cost versus the alternatives. There have been times where my wife needed a prescription filled, we didn't have the money and it was a few days til I got paid again.
Here's the choices and costs:
1) Go and take a 100 dollar payday loan at a cost of 15 dollars. Pay it back on my next payday. Nice and easy, I'd say.
2) Overdraw the checking account for the 100 dollars. Pay a lovely 37.50 dollars in overdraft fees, plus a daily fee of 7 dollars EACH day after the first day. Ouch!!! Total cost for 5 days over 60 dollars or 4 times what the payday loan cost.
3) Try borrowing the money from friends who may or may not have it and who'll certainly want detailed explainations of why you don't have the cash put aside. Alright if you don't mind everyone know you're broke, I guess.
4) Just tough it out. I mean those medicines aren't REALLY important, are they? And it's only a few days, right? It can wait.

On the whole, I'll take the payday loan, thanks just the same and I think I should have the option to do so if I so choose.